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| Levels-4-You : Lounge : Warning to all on Virgin Media (UK) |
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| Spikey2005 |
  Posted 18th Aug 2007 3:41pm |  |
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Hello peeps, I have come to warn all, who live in the United Kingdom, about the super fast broadband internet from Virgin Media.
First off, I would love to say DO NOT GET IT!
Source of information Virgin Media Traffic Management
Virgin Media have started this new policy called Traffic Management.
Traffic Management is a new type of policy where the ISP service run trials on the internet to see who Downloads the most data within a specific area. They then see how much data is downloaded. On their Policy, they have made it so that as a user, you download 3GBs on a 20MB broadband connection, your connection will be slown down to 1/3 of the speed, just to allow other users on the network to browse the internet or access their emails.
Virgin Media recieved a lot of complaints from customers who only use the internet for browsing or accessing their emails. In addition to their responce, they now put in the new Traffic Management system in to allow a Fair connection to all computers, to those who do not download a lot of data.
Conclusion
Ok, so this is the deal... Those who pay their hard earn money for fast internet have to suffer with a slower connection just because some customers think their internet is too slow to browse the internet and access their emails...
My say to that as a virgin media customer is complete utter crap! Our 20MB broadband connection costs us £35 a month (Use to be £50 when Telewest had the company). So it was nice of virgin media to lower the cost... But this traffic management system takes away the value for the connection. If our connection is going to be lowered to 5MB Download & 256kb Upload, then why pay £35 for it?
This is clearly a huge rip-off of our money.
I recommend anyone in the UK that if you want a fast broadband connection, Do not go with Virgin media. Especially if you have 4 other computers on a LAN sharing the same connection, its just not cool man!
I want to switch ISP's (Internet Service Provider) but I have no control over that what so ever. The internet is placed under my dads name, and within reason, it be up to him to switch, not me.
Be aware of this stupid policy and double check with any ISP so that they do not do the same. |
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Modified Aug 18th, 03:43pm by Spikey2005 |
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Assaultman67  |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 4:07pm | |
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Hmm, that would suck if you were hosting a server with that connection  ... The university does that to people as well  ... it really sucks, i would be flying along with my internet connection in the morning and then be reduced to a snails pace by night 
what im tired of is the lies that the telecommunication companies make ... it seems as if you can never ever actually achieve the real speed that you bought ... just under it |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 5:33pm | |
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Exactly, Its a complete waste of money for us. Its not fair on anyone really. |
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Garner  |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 6:05pm | |
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Used to be with Virgin - their 4Mbit connection was pretty good, never had a problem with it. But when they lost the Sky channels... well that was it. When I moved house I didn't bother to get Virgin at the new place - gone ADSL with Eclipse instead.
All ISP's have a traffic shaping policy whether they tell you or not. Virgin have done the right thing by telling you about it... even if its a bit restrictive.
Eclipse are something similar.
The peak hours for internet usage are between 6pm and midnight each day. So there is a monthly limit on the amount you can download during those hours. The other 18 hours of the day are completely limit free. The more you pay the more you can download during peak hous. Everyone gets up to 8Mbit.
£15 gets you a 20Gb limit, £18 gets you a 30Gb limit, I think it was £24 ish gets you a 40Gb limit and £30 ish gets you 50Gb. Also the more you pay gets your traffic bumped up the priority queue.
Go over the limit during peak hours and you get throttled back until the end of the month.
Spikey - 5 of you on a single connection still doesn't really warrant 20Mbit. Even if they slow it to 1/3 of the speed thats still 1Mbit each, or 128k/sec if you're all downloading stuff at the same time. You'll only notice a problem if you're downloading movies or something like that... mp3's will still be done before you notice it. Playing games you wouldn't even notice a difference if they lowered you all the way down to 1Mbit... |
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Modified Aug 18th, 06:05pm by Garner |
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| goober |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 6:19pm | |
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Garner - I can comment on this one because i play alot of games with Spikey. The first day that Traffic Managment was in place, he got a 2200ms Ping, and every night since had a 900ms Ping. |
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| Assaultman67 |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 6:48pm | |
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i honestly don't doubt it ... if a company has a minor change, they don't report it ... if a company has a major change, they try it make it look like a minor one
If you don't believe me you should check out the correlations between news about companies and their stock prices (usually a few months later) ... |
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| Garner |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 9:31pm | |
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goober - ping has absolutely nothing to do with the size of your pipe... the only time you'll notice ping getting better on a bigger pipe is on the move up from 56k to broadband... and then thats to do with the modem more than anything.
you can have a 512k/128k line that has better ping than a 20Mbit line, all you gain from a bigger pipe is the ability to transfer more down it. Its the same physical line, data doesn't move along the physical length of a line any faster....
Think of your broadband as a dual lane carriage way. Speed limit is 70mph.
Your journey time from A to B is going to be the same as a 3 lane carriage way with the same speed limit. All you've gained is the ability to have 3 cars moving alongside each other instead of 2 - hence a transmission speed increase... but the journey time is still the same. Thats exactly the same with any given internet line - cable is cable you cant ask the packets to move along it any faster 
Whats more likely to be happening here is that as Spikey has gone over his limit, Virgin are doing the same as my ISP does - you get a speed cap AND your traffic gets lower priority on the network. The latter will be causing the ping increase.
I seem to recall the Virgin cap was a 3Gb limit per evening. You have got to be kidding me that you can do that on a daily basis... get out more! LOL |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 18th Aug 2007 11:18pm | |
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Its not me who downloads all this data, its my father. He leaves his computer on 24/7 and im suprised to know it hasnt over heated or blown up (Cross fingers to one day that it does).
So I guess your right Garner... But if somehow, I could stop all computers from downloading data and have a free'd up connection, i could have my usual ping rate on my Online Games. 5MBs Download and 256Kb Upload is fine for a online game and will gain me a ping of 180ms on a server hosted in USA, 50ms from a server in the UK.
I would love to have a program that allows me to disable peoples computers from using the internet so I can enjoy my Online games. Something simple as to disabling their network connection then enabling it again.
I cannot access my Router because my dad passworded it and ive tried using Kane & Able to get the password. Unfortunally, the program does not detect the password from the Router. |
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