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| goober |
  Posted 8th Sep 2007 12:54am |  |
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Isn't that rather contradictory? Mod tools have to be a client-side download; no question, but to have a good anticheat that will not fail horribly, it HAS to be server-side ONLY...
Does that make any sense to you? 
Animator, no i don't play in ESL and never will. |
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Posted 8th Sep 2007 1:03am | |
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I think the easiest way to hold a tournament would be with a spectator/judge kinda situation. Have someone who's involved with running the tournament (but not participating in it) use ghost cheats to watch a 1v1 match. Then if one of the participants cheats it'll be seen and they can be disqualified.
Or better yet, make video capture of the matches mandatory by players. I realize this would be bad for those on dial-up, but someone's word isn't enough proof these days.  |
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| naraku KOTB |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 3:25am |
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| Quoting goober | I'm interested in this idea... kind of... for more reasons than the bulk of the RF community know.
That's all im saying, But I've got to ask this:
How does a tournament (or more) HELP the rf community if its only accepting players from L4Y? Think about it. |
No no, what i meant was, in order to join the tournie you have to register at levels 4 you. So all people gotta do is register and follow the procedures at the forum. And i was also sayin that maybe the majority of people here might want to join.
And as of Esl i dont hear very fond things about it. its not the best way to have a tournament,
But levels4you is the biggest red faction site (i think) If we start a tournie then i bet people will be more interested since we seem to be more organized then any other rf forum.
Oh one more thing as of the cheating, we could hold the servers on 1.3 can we? and we can advertise the tournament by making servers on 1.2. |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 4:06am | |
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The only plausible solution to cheating in a tournament at this point would be manual review. In other words, have someone watch. |
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Posted 8th Sep 2007 8:02am |
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I vote yes on tournaments. I'd be very open to a couple tournaments here and there, and would keep my interest. The anti-cheat would/could be a problem. Understanding that some people just can't play fair, it would make it difficult. But I don't believe it would be THAT much of a problem.
I'd be willing to help organize a tournament. Hell, maybe an RF staff member could make a link to show the winners of all winners, not just posted in a thread to be lost forever in the thousands of threads floating around in L4Y. Just that would make anyone want to join, to have their name in an "RF Hall of Fame" type thing. 
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| modmaker91 |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 4:22pm |
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I think a tournament would be great, or at least a server for L4Y. Like what Frank had going a long time ago, with the Red Storm mod. Then it switched over to Red Doom, with a map pack and everything.
And now that I (Finally!) have high speed internet, it doesn't matter how big the pack is. *Sigh* no more blaming lag for deaths though xD.
Mabye several servers can be put up, with different mods. The team deathmatch server could have Tactical 1.2, the CTF could have ISM, or mabye you guys like different mods. I'm a huge fan of Tactical 1.2 myself. Love the one shotgun, the double barreled one. Fun. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 4:26pm | |
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| Quoting modmaker91 | | And now that I (Finally!) have high speed internet, |
Wow!
So you finally switched from 28K to 56K?! I can read that in your L4Y Profile!
Jk, you gotta change that, though  |
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| FuryThor |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 5:32pm |
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| Quoting digital_ruler |
WIth a mod that works on both client and server, you can implement a powerful anticheat.
It's not good to try to force a client-side anticheat download on the few remaining players, however, if you want to play in an official competitive fashion, you should be open to downloading the anticheat. |
That is actually near what I am working on... still few things are needed for get working and it is ready to release... |
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| goober |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 6:19pm | |
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then again, about 50% of that 80% are modders/cheaters |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 6:57pm | |
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If the enemy team is full of very good players, and yours has only the weak ones while you dont count to the weak ones, your chances to cap and score aren't good.
"Gamemakers" are those who help out the team, score for the team (not just by fragging).
Sometimes they are those, who don't have high scores, but helped out with tactics in those important situations such as covering a flag carrier or hunting down enemy flag carriers. They sacrifice for the team.
If you play the mod Natural Selection you'd really know what they are.
They aren't those who kill the wallhackers and other lamers. |
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| goober |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 7:49pm | |
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Ok - I can finally announce the reason why i was interested in this concept.
For the last few weeks, Time will Tell has been working on a Red Faction League. Yes, you heard that right.
We are finally ready to launch! Keep in mind that challenging other players or clans is not functional as of yet because we are still ironing out the details of how we plan to combat cheating. Rest assured, it will be the most effective way possible.
For details and to sign up yourself and/or your clan, please visit us at www.rfcl.co.nr |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 8:09pm | |
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ok I get it. You are the pro player.
NS has nothing to do with RF.
NS is the game for the gamemakers.
I started talking about NS, now you started it with CS. CS is vastly different to the gameplay of RF.
It was an honor to talk with you.
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edit. a match against you may clear up some things. I hope you are not the lagger from today, which may be the reason of your annoyance on me  |
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| RED-FROG |
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| Quote | | Thanks btw, It is indeed regarded as quite an honor to speak with me. |
| Quoting myself | | It was an honor to talk with you. |
my joke of the day
I really glorify other people than those who come to l4y, do a few posts and act like they are the old-timer..
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| Assaultman67 |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 9:10pm | |
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Ok rawrzz, first of let me tell you that you are getting on my nerves and i haven't even spoken to you yet  ... you need to drop things down a notch ... nobody likes braggers/"know-it-all" types, especially me ... it burns me like no other .
Teamplay in games is important in any multiplayer game ... but i won't argue with you that it is also true that individual skill is a important factor in games ... that is true as well
However, if you pit a team that has mediocre skill that works together very well, against a team with one great player but doesn't work together ... the mediocre team will win 
hell, its like that in every sport/game i know ...
The teamwork factor works better in some games than in others and although RF may not consider this factor as much as other games, i still strongly believe that in RF the teamwork factor is still there.
EDIT: Damn, i really hope that Karma bites you in the arse ... like in the form of a venomous snake or something |
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| naraku KOTB |
Posted 8th Sep 2007 10:36pm |
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| Quoting Assaultman67 | | Ok rawrzz, first of let me tell you that you are getting on my nerves and i haven't even spoken to you yet ... you need to drop things down a notch ... nobody likes braggers/"know-it-all" types, especially me ... it burns me like no other . |
Exactly, thats what i'm talking about. those people that nag and brag all the time should join.
| Quote | | We are finally ready to launch! Keep in mind that challenging other players or clans is not functional as of yet because we are still ironing out the details of how we plan to combat cheating. Rest assured, it will be the most effective way possible. |
Wait you guys are actually accepting the idea? Thats good news. Im gonna try to bring everybody in i know. Maybe bring some -hDkP- back.  Oh and is that a new site? the time will till one. |
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