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| BernieSteakous |
  Posted 9th Feb 2008 9:27pm |
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Had a thread closed just now, and wondering about the reasons.
Apparently I can't ask if there's a no cd mod for the Mac, but we can discuss and download Lazyban, which I'm SURE also acts as a no cd mod among other things (it's been a while, so I could be wrong)....
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| goober |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 9:35pm |  |
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I've always wondered why some sites consider no cd patches as "illegal"
Personally, when I buy a game, I still get a no cd crack just because getting the CD each time anoys me.  |
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| Trump |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 9:39pm |
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| Quoting goober | I've always wondered why some sites consider no cd patches as "illegal"
Personally, when I buy a game, I still get a no cd crack just because getting the CD each time anoys me. |
Perhaps it deals with making illegal copies of games and then using a no CD crack to run the game, bypassing the feature the company uses to protect it's copyright. And yes, both Lazyban and Pure Faction are IMO illegal programs that bypass the protection built into the game. |
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| Hapa Hanu |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 9:50pm |
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Copyright infringement is serious business in many respects.
Why do various sites host Lazyban in specific?
Because it is the only tool for Red Faction which allows RCON holders to ban other players, typically cheaters or foul mouth creeps, who have eccentric symbols in there name.
Edit: Historically L4Y has always clamped down on hacks or cracks. Nothing personal but the less said about it the better off we will all be. |
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| goober |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 10:44pm | |
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| Quoting Hapa Hanu | | Because it is the only tool for Red Faction which allows RCON holders to ban other players, typically cheaters or foul mouth creeps, who have eccentric symbols in there name. |
Technically any client which allows you to type "info" and read IPs (Lazyban 1.2, Pure, etc) have that capability also... |
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| BernieSteakous |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 11:26pm |
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So LazyBan is also not really supposed to be spoken of around here either? In that case, at least it's consistent.  |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 9th Feb 2008 11:38pm | |
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I don't understand some game developers... they use no cd cracks when they are acctually making the game, so they don't have to keep looking for the disc's and they say their illgeal, wich tere allowed to due to they own 50% of the game its self.
but it would be so useful if no cd cracks became legal |
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| goober |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 1:00am | |
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| Quoting crazyjack1994 | | but it would be so useful if no cd cracks became legal |
I'm not entirely sure that they are illegal
| Quoting Wikipedia | | No-CD cracks have legal uses, such as creating backups of legally owned software (a user right by law in many countries) or avoiding the inconvenience of placing a CD-ROM in the drive every time the software is being used. |
Sure they can be used illegally, but all p2p programs also have that capability - and they're not illegal. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 1:00am | |
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| Quoting crazyjack1994 | I don't understand some game developers... they use no cd cracks when they are acctually making the game, so they don't have to keep looking for the disc's and they say their illgeal, wich tere allowed to due to they own 50% of the game its self.
but it would be so useful if no cd cracks became legal |
who said they use CRACKS for their OWN software?
Just think about it for one second, doesn't that sound insane?
Of course they add the protection on the final product.
As you can see RF does not need files from a CD to run (just like most new games)
It asks for the CD because the developers/publishers want to limit one license to one person (PC at a time), otherwise you could use one license for any PC at the same time.
CD/DVD protection is ok, as long as the drive doesn't get crazy because of it.
However it can be painful for games with LAN support. (there are games that let you play LAN games without CD though.) |
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| goober |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 1:40am | |
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Do you think they would miss the chance to sue you over copyright infringement and make a good sum off of an old game?
Most games ask for CD-Keys and a CD in to play... I'll never understand that  |
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Posted 10th Feb 2008 6:08am | |
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| Quoting CamBam | Cracks are basically illegal versions of games taken from the CDs, usually with the need for a CD key removed from it.
You can usually find them on torrent sites or Limewire.
Many times the people who make these games are hackers who implant their virus/spyware crap into the Crack versions.
Yes, they are illegal. Don't do it, lawsuits come out of crap like this.
Cracks sometimes also need useless "essential" software which screws with your stuff even more... |
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| goober |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 6:11am | |
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Frank, we are not talking about cracked games, we're talking about no-cd cracks which are used by legal users as well as illegal users. The fact that illegal versions of games need it doesn't matter - many legal users use them too just for the sake of convienience. |
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| NoClanFrank |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 6:24am | |
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I know I use them, but the fact of the matter is that I've never heard of a no-CD crack for Red Faction on a mac any way.  |
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| goober |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 7:01am | |
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I do not think so either, but this thread was to discuss why he wasn't allowed to talk about it here. |
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Lace  |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 7:17am |
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Most games we buy have an EULA which we have to agree to if we want to play the game. Somewhere in this EULA, there is a place where it is said that you can in no way modify the code of the program, or reverse engineer the program.
In Australia, the Copyright law specifically forbids these kind of programs. The statement that legal players use it, doesn't make it anymore legal on it's own.
Now, the reason that we don't talk about it here, is that the owner of the site doesn't want it.
As an example, from the Red Faction Readme:
Part 12, Legal stuff
3. You acknowledge that the Program in source code form remains a
confidential trade secret of Company. You agree not to modify or
attempt to reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Program,
except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted
by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation. |
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| NoClanFrank |
Posted 10th Feb 2008 10:08am | |
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| Quoting goober | | I do not think so either, but this thread was to discuss why he wasn't allowed to talk about it here. |
Because it's basically a breech of the forum rules. 
Particularly this one:
| Quote | What can't I post?
# The following topics are not allowed on the site for obvious reasons;
Software piracy in any form (including asking for CD keys), Pornography, Racism, Anti Religious |
I know he wasn't asking for a CD key but I think if you read Lace's thread above you will understand why a little better. Then again I think you already knew that. |
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