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| Spikey2005 |
  Posted 26th Apr 2008 8:27pm |  |
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Attention Virgin Media Customers (United Kingdom), Virgin Media have yet again decided to screw around with things with the Cable/Fibre Optic Broadband connection.
As it stands, Virgin Media added a new agreement in the Terms & Conditions about the Traffic management. If you are not familuar with this, please visit this link:
http://www.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.php
For those who do know about the traffic management, you might want to check that link out above again.
In 2007, the traffic management was put in place, and was set to the agreement that users downloading alot of data to their computer were put on the top 3% downloaders list and have their connection temparaly traffic managed for 4 hours, only if they downloaded a specific amount of data in off-peak times of 4pm and 9pm.
The limited amount of download data is set to how fast your connection is.
Traffic Management takes place when:
Broadband Size M, downloads 300MBs or Uploads 150MBs
Broadband Size L, downloads 800MBs or Uploads 325MBs
Broadband Size XL, downloads 3GBs or Uploads 1250MBs
Now if you looked carefully and paid good attention to the bold writing in the text above, and read the "Hours" on the virgin media website, you will find that your traffic management has now been raisen to 5 hours.
This is starting to get frustrating because to begin with, the traffic management "Terms & Conditions", was not introduced properly or notified to anyone through Email, Mail, or Telephone.
Instead, this new condition was put there without its customers known.
Now if thats enough to spark off a pulvery glan, maybe you should read this
Source: http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/bb_deal.html
[quote=Virgin Media's Special Offer Link]
Ultra-reliable fibre optic broadband that starts from £4.50 a month - If you take our great value, flexible phone service. There are 3 options to choose from - up to 2Mb, 4Mb and the UK's fastest, 20Mb. All delivered by fibre optic cable. Plus there are no boring download limits and you get free internet security chucked in.[/quote]
There are "no boring download limits" is there?
Is Virgin Media attempting to con the UK with its lies. That text is mis-guided to the fact that a customer reading that would think "Oh! I can download as much as I want to!".
But you can't, because downloading lots of data between peak times will slow your internet connection down to an absolute minimun, thus slowing down your poor connection and downloads.
OR
Is Virgin Media just blind to realise what has been put there and don't realise they typed it in? (Bah! I wouldn't think so my self, I think they know its in there!).
I want to hear all of your opinions please! When I move into my own house, im going to get BE broadband www.bethere.co.uk |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 9:06pm | |
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I don't understand your post 
Do you say with the Broadband Size XL you can download a maximum of 3GB per month, and nothing more?
3GB is nothing... ?! And XL is already the biggest package?
If so, I'd never want to live in the UK. LOL |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 9:12pm |
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neither do i. There seems to be lots of restrictions here and i don't understand them.
From a continental european's point of view, all UK's ISP are garbage.
No download limit for me, no peak hours. I just pay 30 € a month for an ADSL connection with up to 20 mb/s download (but generaly closer to 6 mb) depending on the distance to the city phone central, 250 kb/s upload, adsl TV and radio, voice over IP free telephone etc... |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 9:14pm | |
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there must be existing a huge problem on porn traffic, youtube, piracy and whatnot.  |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 10:06pm | |
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| Quoting REDFROG | I don't understand your post
Do you say with the Broadband Size XL you can download a maximum of 3GB per month, and nothing more?
3GB is nothing... ?! And XL is already the biggest package?
If so, I'd never want to live in the UK. LOL |
Nah RedFrog, this is how it works .
If I download over 3GBs of data or upload 1250MBs of data between 4pm and 9pm, my connection is slown down from being 20MB Broadband to 5MB broadband, with upload speed from 768kbps to 192kbps for 5 Hours.
This is to allow a fair share of the internet speed on the network of the whole ISP for user who just want to browse the internet or read emails.
This Traffic management is every day, not every month.
How ever, the connection is not slown down if I do not hit the above limits.
Basically, you can look at it this way. You can say my broadband has a "Download limit" but when you hit that download limit, they do not stop you from using your connection, they just slow your connection down. |
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| RHF |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 10:38pm | |
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This will probably go very anti-trusty (like it did with MS), as Virgin are ruling the forward thinking broadband market, by forward thinking I mean, rolling out fibre to every home, which in essence, can hold upto speeds of 1gbps (1000mbps) or more. This will destroy ADSL if they can get a tight enough grip. I must say though, Branson will get dogged for this re-writing of T&C's.
I do really enjoy the cable connection, but it's a market with no real decent competing companies. I don't want to use BE or whatever the CENSORED they're called. Simply because I don't want to be sucking British Thieves (British Telecom) CENSORED 's to have a phone line I wont use. |
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| Ghostkid |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 10:41pm | |
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I still dont understand. this is way to complicated for non-english people |
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| RHF |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 10:44pm | |
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| Quoting Ghostkid | | I still dont understand. this is way to complicated for non-english people |
Stop spamming you're useless spiel then. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 11:10pm | |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | there must be existing a huge problem on porn traffic, youtube, piracy and whatnot. |
So...as I said, must be true then.
3GB per day is a very unacceptable amount of bandwidth for a private user (legal downloader).
If you don't accept this, proof me wrong with examples.
ISPs do not tolerate those power-users since they cost too much money.
I have heard about ISPs in my country which also slightly reduce the speeds, but most of them are cheap companies.
But digi, how could they write you an email when they doesn't even know your e-mail account? Wouldn't they just call you instead?
random files to breach the limit:
TrackMania Nations Forever - Free Game 503MB
Unreal Tournament 3 Demo 741.03 MB
Crysis SP Demo 1.77 GB
3014GB
ok that would beat the bandwidth per day.
But this stuff isn't getting released per day. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 26th Apr 2008 11:18pm |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 | 20MB Broadband to 5MB broadband, with upload speed from 768kbps to 192kbps for 5 Hours.
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finally that's pretty high. 20 MB most of the time and 5 MB sometime. Not sure you can complain.
How much do you pay for that? |
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Posted 27th Apr 2008 12:15am | |
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Its only some UK ISP's that limit monthly/daily/peak time total transfers. Mine is properly unlimited for example, even states on their website P2P isn't a problem.
Stop using the big ISP's... switch to the better, smaller ones. Problem solved.
OK, Virgin are about to start offering 50Mbit cable which ADSL just cannot compete with but if you're that bothered about hitting 3Gb in a 5 hour block and getting your speed reduced as a result you should vote with your feet - go elsewhere. There's nothing stopping you downloading as much as you want outside of that 4pm - 9pm block... the limit is only on that peak time.
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| RHF |
Posted 27th Apr 2008 12:30am | |
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Garner, perhaps elaborate further on these wizzo ISP's? |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 27th Apr 2008 1:14pm | |
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Well at the moment, I live with my dad. Switching ISPs is out of the question because my dad won't bother with the crap and the installation fee's again.
However, I am planning to move out my self soon, have my own apartment, pay my own bills and such, and get what ISP I want without my dads concent. The absolute Freedom!
trustmeman, didn't realise you also had Virgin Media. They told you it was between 4pm and 1am because at 9pm, the traffic management finishes but it lasts for up to 5 hours so your talking 2am in the morning when your connection is restored to its proper speed.
My main concern for this is, why 5 hours? Not many users are up at this time surfing the internet, its usually the people who play online games such as CSS, COD4, UT2k4 etc, etc. It would be a kick in the butt cheek that you are unable to play online games due to lag or connection speed.
For Example: My dad is always downloading and upload data. When the traffic management is in place, he still downloads or uploads data, killing my connection to my computer over the LAN. When he downloads, I can't do jack on the internet until the traffic manegement is over.
I recon so far, everyone is right in what they have said towards this, and I will take garner's advice for going for the small companies (Even thought I already said in my 1st post, ill be going to BE broadband when I move house ). So Common sense already in me . |
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| RHF |
Posted 27th Apr 2008 3:02pm | |
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Personally, from experience what I tend to do with torrents. Is I set the scheduler in uTorrent to not hammer the connection so heavily.
The thing is, is that Virgin know they will continue to have an exodus of customers their way, because so many people are pissed with BT (ADSL provisioning). |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 28th Apr 2008 2:54am | |
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Wish my dad would do that but he doesnt give a damn. He has no consideration for others at all.
Im glad im not like him at all! |
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| D2k |
Posted 28th Apr 2008 3:57am |
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| Quoting RHF | | Quoting Ghostkid | | I still dont understand. this is way to complicated for non-english people |
Stop spamming you're useless spiel then. |
LOL
Anyways, I don't have any download or upload limits. Also, Spikey, if you have an ISP that sucks, you can always change it.  |
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