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| Vidi44 |
  Posted 9th Jul 2008 5:34am |
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Recently I was given (the pretty awesome, IMO) permission to make a site about video games for a class project. This site will contain embedded video clips of myself (and others if I can get express written permission) playing video games. The point of the website is to showcase my HTML/CSS skills more than anything, but I thought a few video clips wouldn't hurt  .
Anyway, I'm looking for a good video capture program that I can use to create video clips of me playing the games. I'm torn primarily between FRAPS and WME (Windows Media Encoder). I'm hesitant about FRAPS because I'm unwilling to shell out any amount of money for a simple project (especially when it's not 100% certain I'll be allowed to post the videos. For those wondering, it's currently something like 85% certain), and because the freeware version of FRAPS supposedly limits video capture to 30fps (not good for a video I'd want others to see, IMHO).
That being said, I'm not too keen about WME because, in past experience, it tends to severely degrade my system's performance (a short, 10-second video of me running around a map in a space-shooter game "lagged" the game a good bit and made the video choppy). However, AFAIK, WME doesn't have a FPS limit to it'. If there were some way to prevent this issue, I'd go with it (most likely by limiting the fps, ironically enough. I'd probably limit it to 72fps or so, going down to 45fps if I absolutely had to).
In case you are wondering, the games I plan to showcase:
Nexuiz
Red Faction
Tremulous
War Rock (I know, it's a pretty fail game, but I don't have CS)
Warsow
I'd appreciate any suggestions you have for games, so long as they are freely (and legally) available games I could show off. I'm looking mostly for FPSs, though. RTSs and MMORPGs (other genres I play) would involve too much editing, IMO, to justify for this small project. Also, some suggestions on music (free and legal) would be appreciated (mostly techno or heavy metal/rock).
For those of you who play the games, and want to royally pwn me, I plan to use a username of some varient of "krynd" (ex: RF: krynd. War Rock: krynd1337, etc). I'll put those clips in if it was done in a sporting manner. So long as the frags were done without modding or "dirty tricks" (like fragging me while I'm chatting, spawn killing, etc), and there is no obnoxious gloating, calling me a modder (I don't mod, period.), etc afterwards; I see no reason why I wouldn't put it in. Getting pwnd is part of life (I wish some of the n00bs I play against would realize that) and is nothing to be ashamed of (besides, it makes a video more realistic. That way no one can argue that I was modding or playing against uber-n00bs).
Thank you in advance for all your help. |
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| DVL_IAC |
Posted 9th Jul 2008 6:21am |  |
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I'd go with fraps, why would you want a video higher then 30 fps? it'd just be a waste of space. NTSC DVD movies are 29.976 FPS and PAL DVD movies are 25 FPS. Some older videos are even 23.976FPS. So your saying dvd video isn't smooth enough? anyway for free music, Free Play Music is a good site and has a good variety. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 9th Jul 2008 11:25am | |
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again you've mentioned those 100fps. ..what are you talking about?
Taking 100 pics per second slows down the game extremly and the size of the videos go huge.
30fps is a good value. 40fps or higher if you want slowmotion and even smoother results.
How can you be so stupid to choose 100fps if you don't need it at all. Already 25fps is smooth to the eye.
You are mixing up things there.
For dummies:
30fps means 30 images per second in the video.
If one image is 1MB (FRAPS saves uncompressed images) the video will increase by 30MB per second, which is not unusual and expected. (this happens on a resulution of 800x600 @ full size frames (not half).
The video will be 1,8GB in a minute.
With 100frames, the video will be 100MB in a second with the chosen values, and 6GB in a minute. I highly doubt your HD can handle this. 
FRAPS lets you choose 60fps max, 100fps you'd have to type in manually, alone this fact should tell you, you are doing something wrong. lol |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 9th Jul 2008 10:49pm |
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DVL_IAC: that site you recommended is great. Thank you.
sofia: I get the idea, but like REDFROG said, it's a bit much. The only idea I could think of for a higher frames per second video is so that the content looks clearer when viewed at a higher resolution than intended (it still wouldn't look "right", but that's beside the point). However, TV is only recorded at something like 35fps (gives them slightly more to work with when editing), and is only viewed at 25-30fps (depends on your TV, content subscriber, etc).
Anyway, back on topic: isn't there a size limit to FRAPS (30 seconds)? I may end up with WME because of that alone (unless adam's copy is legal and doesn't violate a TOS or anything like that). |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 10th Jul 2008 5:03pm | |
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adam offers an illegal version.
Purchase Fraps to unlock the features of FRAPS, anything else is absolutely not legal. |
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| goober |
Posted 10th Jul 2008 7:10pm | |
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| Quoting Naruto 53 | Red frog, wat is so rong with the illegal version? Its not like its illegal or somthing....  |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 10th Jul 2008 7:14pm | |
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I dont want to act like the "I never do illegal things" guy.
I just answered to Vidi44s question to make things clear
You cannot just close your eyes and say it's not that illegal.
All you do is not supporting the people for their hard work, altough, xfire now also supports video recording, in pretty much the same way (it's even better, you can directly upload the videos, you can see the size status, and also the framerate) and this for free. |
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| goober |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 2:48am | |
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| Quoting sofia <3 | While having fraps set at 30 FPS I have 30 FPS when I record in the game - Which is really damn laggy.
While having fraps set at 100 FPS I have 100 FPS when I record in the game - Whick is laggy bug not as much as the lower ones.
Also 1 Minute is not 6GB when you record with 100 FPS. |
It runs the game at that FPS while recording. |
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| Vidi44 |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 6:34am |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | xfire now also supports video recording, in pretty much the same way (it's even better, you can directly upload the videos, you can see the size status, and also the framerate) and this for free. |
Why haven't I heard of this before (aside from the "being generally offline for at least a year" part)?
Anyway, I was watching some videos on xfire.com, and it looks pretty decent (with no apparant time limit). Aside from not supporting Nexuiz (that's what WME is for, I suppose...), it looks like it works perfectly. Hopefully it won't seriously impact performance. Thank you.
As far as the pirating thing goes: this is for a class project. The last thing I want to do is get kicked out of school because I used some pirated stuff. Otherwise I probably wouldn't care (as would anyone who wants to fight Global Warming. If it weren't for the RIAA and MPAA, we'd probably be in a global ice age right about now ).
As far as the "I never do illegal things" idea, it's impossible to live completely legally and still be human. Especially since in some countries (I'm thinking Iran, but I'm not sure. Blame Bill O'Reilly if I have that one wrong ), where there are contradictory laws. Which one will you choose to follow today? Besides, "pirating" is and always has been the wrong word. The technical term is "copyright infringement", since I can't think of a single case of digital pirating where the user was deprived of ownership of the material that was pirated (the olden-tyme definition of piracy, before the *AA reworded the English language around their ideals). |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 10:51am |
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| Quoting digital_ruler |
No. Just no. When movies are shown on TV, they are usually on a cable channel, which you pay for. Your payment goes to that broadcasting company, who then pays to be allowed to show the movie. |
Usually?
lol
interesting point.
So, in your country, only cable chanels are allowed to broadcast movies. |
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Beatonator  |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 12:18pm |
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Adam any form of copyright infringment is illegal and you canbe prosecuted by the governing body.
Digital Ruler is correct, and your "free TV" I get the feeling your parents pay for a TV license? If they do BAM! theres the money, also they earn money from advertisers and use this money to aquire the film for public broadcasting...
Any more talk of Piracy and this thread will get locked. Get back ON TOPIC, oh and sorry Molo I know how you love to agitate people.
Fraps has always had poor performance for me. there is another one people have told me about something like gamecamera or gamewatcher or something. |
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| goober |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 2:59pm | |
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However, we do need to remember, adam is in New Zealand. Some laws are most likely different from those in the US/UK.
For instance, where I live; Canada, It is 100% legal to download music. As long as you don't profit in any way from it. Things may be like this in New Zealand. Granted, I don't know, they may be more strict in NZ than even the US (doubtful) but, the point is, they COULD be different. Everyone here is talking from a UK or US point of view (or France, in the case of molodiets, who didn't really contribute anything anyway) so you may not realise that laws are different in other countries.
Just something to think about. Maybe someone from NZ, or someone that knows the laws there could come and fill us in? |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 6:31pm |
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Just pointing out it's false. You needn't pay a cable fee to be able to see movies. In all countries, movies broadcast on TV are mostly paid through commercials so the viewer doesn't necessarily pay the movies.
As for being constructive, the conversation has been off topic for 1 page now. The question was about a video capture software , not piracy infrigement. You're free to keep up talking about anything to show how smart you are but let me do the same |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 11th Jul 2008 6:39pm | |
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adam you don't seem to know the definition of work, and how it's paid out. |
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Assman15  |
Posted 12th Jul 2008 12:12am | |
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| Quoting adam_morland1 | | I Mean, if you borrowed a DVD from a friend, would that be illegal? NO. They show movies on TV for free right? |
Believe it or not, letting people who haven't payed for a DvD watch it is illegal. As for movies on TV, they're supported by advertisements. TV movies aren't free, they're payed for by the broadcast company and the advertisements help support those payments. |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 12th Jul 2008 1:18am |
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| Quoting digital_ruler | | Quoting adam_morland1 | | Also, at the "ALL movies are probably on Cable" Comment, |
Funny, but I don't recall saying that. |
Let me remind you.
| Quoting digital_ruler |
When movies are shown on TV, they are usually on a cable channel, which you pay for. Your payment goes to that broadcasting company, who then pays to be allowed to show the movie. |
usually is actually stronger than probably, even thou we can admit that what is usual is probable |
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