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| goober |
  Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:19pm |  |
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Why in the hell would I talk to the public players? Most public players have been "born" into the LS servers and ideology.
Oh and by the way, if you talk to just about any competitive player in any game, you'll find that spawnkilling, while it may be annoying, is in fact a skill which is very useful. If I have a gun, you're damn right I'm going to kill you before you get a bigger gun and kill me, that's the point of the game.
Oh and frank, I fail to see how killing them (when it is the point of the game) is not fair. |
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NoClanFrank  |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:23pm | |
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It's not fair in sense that the other plays spawn without any armour. If he used a baton when he got fragged, then he will spawn with that weapon. How much of a challenge is there to frag somebody that swing a stick at you?  |
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| goober |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:24pm | |
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| Quoting NoClanFrank | | It's not fair in sense that the other plays spawn without any armour. If he used a baton when he got fragged, then he will spawn with that weapon. How much of a challenge is there to frag somebody that swing a stick at you? |
Don't use a baton, find ammo.
Oh and also, if I allow them to get armor, they might just kill me, so why would I give them the chance in a game in which the overall point of the game is to kill them. |
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| NoClanFrank |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:27pm | |
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| Quoting goober | | Don't use a baton, find ammo. |
Ammo for what, the pee shooter?  |
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| goober |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:28pm | |
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| Quoting NoClanFrank | | Quoting goober | | Don't use a baton, find ammo. |
Ammo for what |
Maybe........................................................................................a gun?  |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:30pm | |
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I say: stop
it doesn't work 
oh and goober, why are you so afraid of other players with weapons that are comparable to yours? I mean, whats the skill behind the fact that you have to spawnkill others because you have the advantage. Where is the skill behind this? I don't get it.
Does nick or philip say all this stuff to you?
You are so unlucky then. Learning gaming from the worst people.
Learn the word and meaning of sportsmanship. And tell this also to your friends.
hmm I wanted to stop it. Damn I failed again. Why did I edit anyway?  |
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| goober |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:36pm | |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | You are so unlucky then. Learning gaming from the worst people. |
Let's see you beat them, then we'll talk.
I don't know why you keep editing either, or posting for that matter. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:42pm | |
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I said worst people. Not worst players.
Beat him, beat those...jeez that is another thing you've learned from your new friends. It's all about beating people in games and you know who you/they are.
Who says I havent beat them before anyway?
These 2 are smurfing all the time, until they find out they are going to win the match and renaming themselves right just before the game ends. Or just when they find out only average players are in the server.
They know if the'd loose it's better to lost it with a fake name.
Poor. - hey .. I know this tactic too well.
(happened yesterday in lego mod. lol I have screens) |
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| goober |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 8:46pm | |
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| Quoting REDFROG | | These 2 are smurfing all the time, until they find out they are going to win the match and renaming themselves right just before the game ends. |
Or maybe the fact that there are so many people which would just flat out ban them if they always used their real names. |
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KILLER  |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 9:28pm |
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OK ok, the owner of Voltz CTF is <Voltz>Cupid/<Voltz>Kristi. Tis true that Hapa has something to do with the server, but only that the server is run off his box. Hapa hasn't any control what happens in the server, Cupid/Kristi does. |
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| KERPAL |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 9:34pm | |
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The only way that I see spawnkilling as a problem is if the player that is spawnkilling knows the exact location of each spawn point and waits for a person to spawn then kills them onsite. then thats when it becomes a problem.
And just to answer kojak965's question Hapa Hanu is the one who runs the server although like KILLER said he isn't the one who has full authority over it. That would be Cupid/Kristi. |
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| Trump |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 10:42pm |
Retired MCPO
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Spawnkilling in RF is cheap, and if that what it takes to win a game, then you're a POS...bottom line. I don't care how good your skillzz are.
Who has time to read the dribble that is coming out of some of these guys? Bunch of freaking PHD's....not.
Goober and Red Frog...why don't you two get a room...you obviously are in love with each other and are channeling your latent homosexual desires for each other in these continuous petty arguments. |
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| Assaultman67 |
Posted 24th Jul 2008 11:27pm | |
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| Quoting rawrzz | | 5 bullets to the head from the Pistol will kill a fully armored player in RF. |
Oh yes, because its that easy to hit someone in the head with a pistol 5 times within 2 seconds ... those 2 seconds most likely don't even matter because most people just stand behind the spawn point, wait 2 seconds following the spawned player, and then open fire before they a) get a weapon b) get some armor c) even know you are behind them.
| Quoting rawrzz |
If you have any difficulty with people "spawn killing you", when -
-You are given an extremely overpowered spawn weapon to start with and..
-There is a static, forced 2 second invincibility given to any newly spawned player (test it yourself, a direct rail will not kill a freshly spawned player).
You're pathetic at this game.
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That must be a joke ... the pistol is probably the weakest weapon in the game ... otherwise people would use it all the time and not bother picking up other weapons 
| Quoting rawrzz |
Spawnkilling is a valued tactic in every competitive game barring CS, the cod series, etc - because it's not reasonably possible there.
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Wow, im glad im not them arseholes ...
| Quoting rawrzz |
"Learn the word and meaning of sportsmanship."
Any tactic feasible within the limits the game sets (ie, barring cheating) is perfectly reasonable and sportsmanlike.
As far as the meaning of sportsmanship this is from wikipedia, verbatim -
"Poor sportsmanship can either be the winners "rubbing salt in the wounds" of the losers, or the losers expressing their frustration at not winning, even to the point of holding a grudge. Other examples of poor sportsmanship are booing national anthems or failing to congratulate the winners."
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Huh ... it must be true because its on the un-editable wikipedia! ... but look what else is on wikipedia (first paragraph mind ye):
That definition classifys sportsmanship as not only rules of the game but also respect and etiquette ...
But then again, since sportsmanship depends on your definition of respect (which i think is pretty vague and distorted from your view ... just by looking at how you present your posts says that ... but this is my opinion of course)
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Right, spawnkilling isn't "rubbing wounds", nor is it booing a creed or ignoring the accomplishments of opponents.
"Sportsmanship typically is regarded as a component of morality in sport, composed of three related and perhaps overlapping concepts: fair play, sportsmanship, and character (Shields & Bredemeier, 1995). Fair play refers to all participants having an equitable chance to pursue victory (Weinberg & Gould, 1999) and acting toward others in an honest, straightforward, and a firm and dignified manner even when others do not play fairly. It includes respect for others including team members, opponents, and officials (Canadian Commission for Fair Play, 1990). Character refers to dispositions, values and habits that determine the way that person normally responds to desires, fears, challenges, opportunities, failures and successes and is typically seen in polite behaviors toward others such as helping an opponent up or shaking hands after a match. An individual is believed to have a “good character” when those dispositions and habits reflect core ethical values. This is important to a lot of sports."
All players barring those who cheat spawn with the same advantages/disadvantages of other players. There is fair play in spawnkilling, in fact if you were a game developer you'd understand core game design values reflecting this. The two most popular forms of archetyping in games are either - give the player everything, and let them loose it or try to maintain it. Or give them nothing, and force them to build it up. RF is the latter, and so are most FPS games. CoD would be the largest noteable exception.
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Repetative blabber ... he pulls out a definition and misinterprets it
| Quoting rawrzz |
Next wikipedia has 5 very noted points, lets look at a few of them closely, some I won't go over because they do not directly pertain to the topic.
" * Respect and concern for rules and officials"
Obeying league/server rules expectations.
" * Respect and concern for social conventions (e.g., shaking hands, recognizing the good performance of an opponent)"
GL, HF - GG.
" * Respect and concern for the opponent (e.g., lending one’s equipment to the opponent, agreeing to play even if the opponent is late, not taking advantage of injured opponents)"
hay, you can use our server since yours is down and yea u can use a ringer since 15 of your members are offline for no apparent Censored ing reason.
" * Avoiding poor attitudes toward participation (e.g., not adopting a win-at-all-costs approach, not showing temper after a mistake, and not competing solely for individual prizes)"
Not whining after losing or making a mistake, or adopting a win-at-all-costs approach (cheating, crashing the server, glitching, etc).
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You could consider a win-at-all-costs approach as camping out at a spawn point and shooting them in the back  ... just because the game lets you do it doesn't mean that its a sportsmanlike tactic ...
| Quoting rawrzz |
Next, I'd like to reply to M3TAL in a much more reasonable and less condescending fashion, seeing as how he doesn't appear to be such a Censored ing moron.
"I don't care when people kill me on there way to the flag if I've just respawned."
Joy!
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I honestly don't care either ... they were just running by and i spawned in the way ... if they sit at a spawnpoint and wait ... thats different 
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"I really hate when there's 3 people in my base taking my armor and mowing me down with AR's and HMG's."
They spawned and likely fought through the same conditions in order to gain an advantage. They're in fact carrying out fully what the developers of the game intended. You cannot be killed for 2 seconds after spawning, you should be able to either acquire a weapon or just outright kill them within this amount of time - even if you fire the pistol slowly.
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The first part is also true ... they got there and they most likely will leave after they got the flag ... its when they stay around for the sake of killing respawned players is when it becomes a problem
| Quoting rawrzz |
The scoreboard doesn't show deaths, don't be embarassed 
"It makes me even more annoyed when people say its part of the game (no offense goober)."
Well what is spawnkilling then? Where else would you find it, err out of the game? Does anyone kill you when you wake up?
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Thats just an insult ... nothing pertaining to the topic
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Alright, I'll admit I can't find anything remotely cheeky to say here with substance. But lets face it, it IS a part of the game, please read some articles written by game developers they not only allow spawnkilling to be possible but account for and directly create its feasability as it drives competition - which most games do, in some way or another (even WoW *shudder*).
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Even admits its just an insult ...
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http://www.gamedev.net/reference/list.asp?categoryid=23
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Great Link! *bookmarks it* No actual reference to the subject though ...
| Quoting rawrzz |
"I dont play RF to get killed as soon as I spawn."
That's a good point, but people whom are better than you also don't play to wait for you to get a gun. If I for example, were to let you run around the map for 3 minutes before I even fired at you, I'd win every time regardless due to positioning advantages. Spawn killing just gets things done faster, the only price of a win to me is time - and I don't have much of it anymore.
"The only way that I see spawnkilling as a problem is if the player that is spawnkilling knows the exact location of each spawn point and waits for a person to spawn then kills them onsite. then thats when it becomes a problem."
Why? It was the players knowledge and skill that allowed them to perform proper spawnkilling. Is it also a problem if I time weapon or powerup respawns, and pick them up every time they spawn using the clock?
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Knowledge or skill does not apply here ... Spawnpoints spawn people randomly at designated spots (usually more than 3 or 4) ... the only way you are successful at killing someone who just spawned is a) running by and just happened to see them or b) sitting at a spawnpoint ... waiting for them ... little knowledge or skill required.
| Quoting rawrzz |
What's the difference? Kills/deaths are just the moving difference between a win. There are many other moving differences that matter just as much, such as postioning, health, armor, ammo, powerups - etc. Yet I don't really see anyone complaining about micro management (timing things) or proper positioning. Partly because RF players don't do or understand these things since weaponstay is almost always on in servers, but also because they don't play to win.
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Difference explained ... you can't time a playerspawn ... you are either by a spawned player just by chance ... or you are waiting for a spawned player ...
| Quoting rawrzz |
The lot of you just want to make holes in the walls and as such every last drop of competition from this game will be either destroyed, moved, or neutered to a pathetic state where the players in this game barely understand how to move their mice left and right.
Oh wait. |
Sigh, another mass insult ...
Im tired of your arrogant posts that insult everyone ... I honestly don't mind different opinions because its different opinions that give you a broader view of the discussion and a more rounded understanding  ... its the petty insults i can do without 
this is definitely my last post in this thread because i don't want to get sucked into this "blackhole" of an arguement ... i remember the futility of actually trying to argue a topic with you  ... you can't help but respond trashing me and my opinion if it differs you |
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| Hapa Hanu |
Posted 25th Jul 2008 12:10am |
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| Quoting KERPAL | | Hapa Hanu is the one who run's it I believe. |
I do not run it or take any responsibility.
You will have to find Cupid, he runs it. |
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| Trump |
Posted 25th Jul 2008 1:45am |
Retired MCPO
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| Quoting rawrzz |
I see Trumps post. Not even worth a response. Such a child. |
Such a child indeed, only way to be...even at my age. But one of these days you'll realize that RF is indeed just a game and you'll realize how much of a child you were spouting all your gamester philosophies to these kids. I'm sure they'll grow out of their hero worship of you when they actually grow some hair on their chins (or other places).
BTW, funny how you thought I was referring to you and your mile long pile of crap post. |
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