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| Spikey2005 |
  Posted 12th Dec 2008 6:29pm |  |
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Hello there,
For another time I require some help from the wounderful L4Y community if you can help out.
I have got 2GBs of RAM in my motherboard right now and I bought 2x 1GB sticks today and tried them in my computer. They are exactly the same as the RAM thats currently in my computer right now.
So I place these 2 new RAM sticks into my computer thus getting me up to 4GBs of Memory, but my Motherboard does not seem to like it. Once ive placed the sticks in, my motherboard goes all haywire and does not start up the computer. I do not get the splash screen up on my computer. The computer starts up for about 4 - 6 seconds, then switches off. Then turns it self on again.
After taking the RAM out again, all is well and my computer runs just like normal.
So my question is, how do I get this extra RAM to work on my computer?
Here is my Motherboard Specs.
Gigabyte S-series GA-EP35C-DS3R Socket: LGA775
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2740
According to the manual, My M/B can support upto 8GBs of System Memory on DDR2 and DDR3
The RAM slots are set out with 4x DDR2 slots and 2x DDR3 slots.
My current Ram are the Corsair XMS2-6400 DDR2 1024MBs 800MHz x2
My new Ram is exactly the same. x2 (Not yet plugged in since of said problem)
My computer Specs
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz Stock
Memory: 2GBs of RAM / DDR2 XMS2-6400 1024MBs 800MHz x2
O.S. : Windows Vista Ultimate Edition
Graphics Card: ATi Radeon 3870HD x2 1GB
Motherboard: Gigabyte S-Series / GA-EP35C-DS3R |
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Posted 12th Dec 2008 6:34pm | |
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It's a long shot, but there's always the possibility that your power supply isn't providing adequate power for an additional two sticks of RAM. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 12th Dec 2008 6:37pm | |
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Nah Assman.
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And Spikey, are you perfectly sure, I mean... REALLY sure...if those 2 new sticks are perfectly the same?
Same latencies, same Volts, same timings/clocks, same Mhz?
-Try running the PC with the 2 new sticks when the other 2 old ones removed.
-Try increasing Volts for the RAM by 0.1.
-Set all clock settings to automatic.
-Set FPS to default.
-Test the RAM by disabling "quick booting"
why did you buy a dual gpu graphics card btw?  |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 12th Dec 2008 7:58pm | |
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I think assman might be onto something... ive only got a 650W power suply. I will try what Froggy said aswell, which is going to take time, but ill try grab a better power supply from somewhere, see if it is the case.
Why did I buy a dual GFX card for? Well at the time when it came out, it was the first of its kind and cost me £229 for it. And this card can be overclocked pretty good.
Also, it delivers good details to my wounderful games and great FPS. Why the hell else would I buy a GFX card like this?, You going to give me a lecture about what card would be better Cross fired? because wouldnt... I already know  |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 12th Dec 2008 8:11pm | |
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why did you buy a dual gpu graphics card btw? |
Why not? Nothing wrong with good performance. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 12th Dec 2008 9:01pm | |
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How can a cross fired graphics card be any better?
Dual GPU ATI cards use crossfire, but with a faster access of course, since it's all on one board.
Buying dual gpu cards is just...wrong.. thesedays.
"Good performance" might be the right characterization for that.
What you'd expect of an expensive and extremly power wasting dual gpu would be excellent performance.
650W is far enough.
The Watts have nothing to do with the RAM. Especially not when booting.
Why is it always the PSU when somebody has problems with his PC? Now that we know its 650W strong and it crashes while booting (the time when GFX - dual core doesn't draw as much), it can't be the problem at all.
Stupid PSU suspicions all the time on l4y when hardware fails.
I'm waiting for a "Mouse Problems" thread where somebody recommends a new stronger PSU.
A RAM stick requires around ~4Watts.
And his GFX at boot time: roughly -50 Watts than idle. and probably -150 less than load. (from a total of 200Watts) |
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Posted 12th Dec 2008 9:30pm |
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The whole dual GPU solution is overated actually Leads to slower performance overall than an SLi'd system ^^ Such as the 9800GX2, it's just 2 8800GTS cores slapped together in a "duct taped" manner. The newer nVidia cards that we will see soon will offer us all, finally a true "quality" dual gpu solution, the GTX 295, which offers linking via an SLi cable.
Anyway, as for your PSU, power supplies rely on quality not so much quantity  As an example an Antec EarthWatts 500watt or Corsair 450VX (Seasonic OEM) may provide more power at a more stable rate than an cheaper made power supply, for example such as an OCZ 600watt.
Just make sure each "kit" is matching in the designated slots, kit 1 goes in Slots 1 & 3, kit 2 goes in Slots 2 & 4. Also make sure there are no errors with any of the sticks. Try each of the new kit 1 at a time to see if they post and/or boot.
A reliable way to test memory is using MemTest provided by http://hcidesign.com/
Corsair seems to say that their(HCIdesign) program is better than MemTest86.
I would like to mention that this problem has arisen quite a bit. Try just using 2 sticks, entering BIOS, press Ctrl + F1 at the main BIOS screen, enter M.I.T part of the BIOS relating to memory, timings, and clock speeds. Now downclock the RAM to about 667MHz , save before exit, then try inserting the new sticks to see if it posts.
I'm willing to bet the memory simply needs to be downclocked, voltage changed, or the timings are simply skewed. |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:18am | |
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After playing around with this RAM for hours, I have finally got it working fine in my system.
It was a case of the timings on the RAM were different and which slots I had them plugged in.
My computer with my first 2GBs of RAM in it was set to 4-4-4 as it normally would for the Timings.
I had my RAM colour Cordinated on my Motherboard if you check its picture.
I had my old ram in each of the Yellow slots and I was putting my new Ram in the Red Slots, causing my motherboard a confusion of working out the Timing.
I have now plugged my old ram into the Yellow and Red slots next to each other and the new Ram the same on the different channel, and this has successfully worked!
The timing in the Bios now shows as 5-5-5 which it should do.
As for my graphics card, its able to run GTA IV in Medium Graphics with Draw Distances turned up to 40 and give me a average FPS rate of 30 - 50 at a resolution of 1024 x 768. I am happy with that so ill be sticking to that GFX card. I might also get round to crossfiring it sometime in the future if I get a new Motherboard that supports SLi. This might get me better resolution and Very High graphics settings. You never know. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:51am | |
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| Quote | | They are exactly the same as the RAM thats currently in my computer right now. |
So that was a wrong information.
You should have said "I think they are..."
Theres always multiple versions of a gig stick by the same brand.
Many are produced the same way, but in the testing phase some turn out to be slower and thus get sold at a cheaper price/performance. Same with CPUs. (now I know why Triple-Core is "so important")
And to discuss your GTA IV performance:
Graphics cards have almost NO RELATION to the performance in GTA IV.
You will only require a decent base of a card, such as a 8600 or 8800 GS.
The only bottleneck in GTA IV is the CPU.
You can play either at 1680x1050 or 800x600, the change in FPS will be ZERO percent.
Also draw distance and all other settings, except for shadow quality doesn't change anything at all. These are facts. (disabling shadows gives 1-3fps)
So your dual GPU card doesn't help the slightest if you thought so.
GTA IV only really runs well on QuadCores. There's no doubt.
My information is not only basing on my own thoughts and diagnostics.
The game has been tested on a GTX280 (nvidias BEST card) and it didn't help them.
Do the benchmark in GTA IV and tell us the AVG FPS, because saying 30-50fps in-game says nothing. The city is extremly varying in detail, only fixed/same benchmarks give real results.
On NebulaMods you can find a lot of technical information about GTA4 and it's performance and how to increase it.
btw I'm missing a "thx". Ah well |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 8:31pm | |
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I have already ran a bench mark on GTA IV, where do you think I got the FPS results from between 30 - 50 FPS... thats explains that certain parts of the city vary.
Graphics plays a big role in this game. You tell me that a AGP graphics card at 128MBs be able to run this game? No way.
My CPU is overclocked to 3.20GHz if you look at the picture... so Im not running a Bottleneck CPU.
Also my Graphics card is overclocked aswell giving me the stable performance I stated as 30 - 50 FPS via the Benchmark test.
Also RAM plays a nice big part in this aswell since I can now exit the game without it taking ages to return to Desktop after exiting the game.
Red Frog, you know jack CENSORED . Stop pretending you know stuff and stick to your good old Red Faction. |
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| Assman15 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 10:34pm | |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 | | I might also get round to crossfiring it sometime in the future if I get a new Motherboard that supports SLi. |
I may be out of date on this subject, but as far as I'm aware SLi motherboards don't support Crossfire. You'd need to buy a Crossfire motherboard for a Crossfire connection and an SLi motherboard for an SLi connection.
| Quoting Spikey2005 | | You tell me that a AGP graphics card at 128MBs be able to run this game? No way. |
That really depends on the card. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:14pm | |
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Spikey, are you drunk or blind?
You should complety re-read what i've written.
I have not said your CPU is a bottleneck CPU (whatever that might be...tell me)
I have said the bottleneck (google for that word if you don't know it's meaning) in the games performance always is the CPU. This means, you can have the biggest GFX card with 16 cores and 16Gigs of RAM, it will not help.
I have also not said an APG graphics card is capable of doing it, I have said a decent base such as.. (just read it)... would do it.
There IS NO 30-50 FPS result in ANY benchmark (and yes, it's called benchmark, not a mark on a bench or something you said) on the whole planet. There can only be ONE AVG FPS count.
Or are you trying to say a few minutes ago the benchmark resulted in 30fps, but a few minutes later, when you threw a cup of coffee over your keyboard it gave you 50fps? If that trick works, please inform me.
Anyone who knows how GTA IV works, and anyone who benchmarked it, knows it's basing on RAW CPU performance, because the game is code-stressing, and even more on RAW amount of cores per CPU. Latest benchmarks shown that QuadCore performance always benefits 25% more than a dual core at the same speeds. It's never been like that in any other PC game in history.
And, tell me, how come we get 0,00fps increasement while setting down the resolution?
Now, anybody with the slightest clue would guess that it's the graphics card, which is not running at it's limits, but is being breaked by something else - the cpu.
Detail settings also have absolutely no effect on the fps. Except for shadows... but...you wonder why?.. Because shadows and lighting are partly processed on the CPU.
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my good old Red Faction?
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oh and yea, 'SLI ur Crossfire!' (tm) (c) Spikey 2008
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btw I can't see 50fps anywhere.
You must own a really HUGE monster PC that beats an extreme Quad + GTX280 ^^ |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:15pm | |
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SLi is crossfire. a SLi motherboard contains 2 PCI-E slots allowing you to connect 2 graphics cards to a single motherboard. Then if the graphics card supports SLi or Crossfire, you will use a Crossfire Cable that connects 2 graphics cards together while they are connected to thw 2 PCI-E Slots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface
Red Frog, Reading upon your previous post, I am drunk, but while drunk, I am still able to understand and processor your information you have provided in your post.
First off, GTA IV may be stressful on a CPU, but you forget the basic rule that any game requires a "Graphics Card" to be able to play a game on your computer with high specs, such as Crysis, Far Cry2 and our beloved GTA IV.
Second: Most of the performance comes out of the CPU, but in order to play the game in a more suitable performance rate, you also need a GFX card in order to allow your computer to write the 3D rendering of the game. Otherwise, install a rubbish old GFX card and you cannot get any quality out of it at all.
The reason like I stated last time in my previous post about 30 - 50fps all depends what you are rendering at the time. For example, if your in a small area that has not many objects or 3D rendering to render, then you usually get a higher frame rate in the game at that point. Come to the point where your looking at the whole city on the game your FPS drops due to the fact that your GFX card needs to render more of the game than what i had to in the small area.
The Benchmark option in the game runs a test of your character riding a Motorbike while shooting down other characters on a motorbike. At the time, it is Rendering the City and not a small area, so GTA IV is basically trying to decide where abouts your graphics settings should be set, based upon an area that your constantly in, not recently in. So that explains the 30 - 50FPS in GTA IV.
If you read the link I posted above about SLi, you will read that SLi cards allows your GFX card to do half of the work its suppose to while your other card does the other half. Then it sends it to the Master card to generate the input to the monitor.
So in this case, if GTA IV is so relient on Graphics that 1 GFX card can only get the texture quality to Medium. Just think what can be done with 2 of my GFX cards together. I can then get "Very High" settings then enables me to play the game in more better quality and higher resolution.
In GTA IV, they show how much memory your GFX card is using in the graphics settings so that you know how much your GFX card can handle, as shown in the image below.
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| Assman15 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:24pm | |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 | | SLi is crossfire. |
No, it's not. SLi is NVidia's technology and Crossfire is ATi's. While they are very similar and essentially have the same outcome, they are indeed different. |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:43pm | |
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ATi Crossfire still works with a SLi compatible Motherboard.
And Yes I do own a monster computer Red Frog. It is overclocked to as much as I could.
You will find that Quad Core processors are not very good with O.C'ing and I would not recommend a Quad Core to anyone. Not just yet anyways. you can still get the best out of Core2Duo by Overclocking them and saving you money instead of buying a Quad Core that is expensive.
If I sat and worked my magic, I could get my Intel Core2Duo E6750 2.66GHz Overclocked to at least 4.0GHz by changing the voltage and spending alot of time doing it. But I havent yet because it would take up a full day to do so, and I need more cooling in my case to do it successful.
So GTA IV may have been tested on Quad Core, but was the QC Overclocked good sir? No! It wasnt. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 13th Dec 2008 11:56pm | |
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You don't need to overclock good hardware.
If you were once clever enough to buy some good hardware that you don't have to overclock..
You seem to be too drunk to read my posts properly, or maybe it's my english.
Again I have not said GTA IV requires no GFX performance. I have said you need a decent GFX base, that's all.
I have even mentioned the 8600 or 8800 (GS version) - which is - a fine base. With anything higher you won't notice much better performance, unlike in games such as Crysis.
(and stop comparing gpu hungry games such as Crysis with cpu hungry games such as GTA IV)
You have again posted a misleading point in the matter "benchmarking"
Again. There is no 30 - 50 fps result. And there will never be.
You either get an AVG 30, or you get AVG 50 fps result.
The fps shown while running the benchmark itself says nothing, only the end result counts.
Of course everybody gets 60fps+ (mine is capped there) while standing in a building.
But because of that I don't say I get 20-120fps while playing GTA IV.
Now shut your mouth about silly overclocking because with a QuadCore, you don't need to overclock to play GTA IV. Simply because of the fact that quads pwn the CENSORED of the duals since they can process a lot more at the same time. GTA IV supports multi core like no other.
Multi cores are not about raw Mhz, it's about multi threading if you didn't know.
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So ist ein Q6600 bei gleicher Taktrate (2,4 GHz) satte 52 Prozent schneller als sein Zweikern-Pendant E6600.
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Q6600 runs 52% faster than a compareable E6600 at the same clockspeeds.
Never been like that in any other game.
| Quote | | Hinsichtlich der Grafikkartenanforderungen können wir Entwarnung geben. Selbst in 2.560 x 1.600 (aber auch in 800 x 600) ist eine Geforce 9800 GT nur minimal langsamer als eine GTX 280 - GTA 4 |
A GTX280 can't beat a GeForce 9800GT (lame version), no matter at which resolution - from 2560 to 800. in GTA IV
The GTX280 however costs over the double price. lol |
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