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  Posted 23rd Nov 2009 8:12pm |
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This thread can stay open as long as no 'staff bashing' or major rules are broken, one member has already been issued a TU for posting a link to a torrent site, so please remember to stick with the rules.
This type of discussion about the rules, imo can carry on as long as it stays mature and doesn't decent into chaos. So could all admins and staff please keep this thread open. Let's prove we can have a mature discussion about the future of this site and its rules.
SkipRat
I was just wondering what people sometimes think of the way elite admins behave/react on this site when people talk about certain touchy issues on this site.
I mean issues about general computing like how for instance does a crack for a game work (just an example)
If this was asked then would the admin be better of letting people discuss it so long as no1 asked for a specific way of getting a crack other than being told the generic google it 
Should the admin close the thread after all we are not intelligent enougth to talk maturley about things and the words crack and game must mean piracy and we live in a world where you can't mention that because disney own all rights to anything pirate related.
Or do ya just not care cause this is a map hosting site and anything else written in these forums from people you have spoke to on here for years just does not interest you unless it's about a map. |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 8:26pm |  |
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Well, I voted for "Just leave us to ramble on" on principal, but I really don't care. I don't discuss these things with people from this site anyway. |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 8:36pm | |
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I voted "i don't care"
But there is a good reason why topics of illegal nature are closed or censored ... The fact is that there are specific rules that garner has to follow when he uses server space to host the site ...
and posting how to download illegal software, pron or whatever makes garner responsible for whatever illegal instructional crap you post ... is that fair for him? 
The cursing issue I believe is debatable, but i also believe that rule is intended to keep a more positive, friendly atmosphere to the site ...
There are alot of young people on this site who could easily get kicked off of it by their parents ... |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 8:39pm | |
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Hmm I hope I'm not one of the elite admins . I think if people think that then I would leave!
I vote just let us ramble on. I'm going to have a word with garner about redoing the rules here.
Freedom of speech FTW. I have my own forums btw anyone interested give me a PM and I can send you the link, because I'm not allowed to post it on here.  |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 8:55pm | |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 9:36pm | |
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Banned, congratulations. 
After being a member for 4 years now, I would of thought you would know better than to try that. |
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| vibes |
Posted 23rd Nov 2009 10:05pm |
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I'm not saying post about where to get illegal software etc (that would be stupid) I am saying tho if people talk about illegal software and have and interesting debate on the subject matter then that can make for an interesting read.
And I don't think parents would ban there children from here just because some1 is having an intelligent and constructive point of view to put on a forum.
The only parents I would assume that would do that are the kind that would not let there child to use a public forum in the first place. All I am really asking is could the admins stop and think before closing threads etc because of there personal views.
and no skippy I do not believe it was you and I am not having ago at who ever does this all I ask is take the above comments on board ........pretty please with a cherry on top  |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 10:19pm | |
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This post has not yet been moderated.
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| Molodiets |
Posted 23rd Nov 2009 10:29pm |
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i voted for "Just leave us to ramble on"
which is pretty obvious from me as I've always been in favor of totally free speeches on forums.
We're not talking about legal or illegal stuff but about forum discussions, Godwin's law , trolling and the facts around the internet there are moderators chosen among the most power greedy users to moderate, ie stop a conversations that turned to a flame war and goes nowere, as well as to have the rules of the site respected (rules wich sometimes don't make sense and leave a huge gap to be interpreted to their liking by moderators )
L4y is far from being the worst and you're alowed to pretty much any off-topic subjects afak.
I think it 's gone for the better (or maybe I'm no longer concerned by flame wars)
On many forums moderators are not questionable or dismissable. (And you don't even know who is the admin you could go report or complain to) There is no way to defend against their decisions and they did nothing to deserve the power they abuse of.
I'm still amazed at the way some moderators on various forums think they are necessary whereas they topics they lock or the messages they delete had absolutely no reason to be censored. Just because they blindly and strictly abide by the rule or out of certainty their opinion is law, they behave like perfect strict mindless empowered bureaucrats. |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 10:46pm |
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Thanks for those links molodiets they made for good reading |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 11:11pm | |
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| Quote | this is hilarious, i got (speech) banned because i posted a torrent hosting website, which in swedish law doesn't contain any form of 'illegal material', also baring in mind it's a torrent website this does not mean everything on that website is illegal.
The CENSORED .org url its self does not contain any form of illegal material on it when you enter on the website. as where if i actually posted a link for an 'illegal torrent' (with all the file stuff on the end of the url) then i would say yes i say i would agree with the ban.
You may as well just take off my ban as i have done nothing wrong, and if anything, you're banning me because of an opinion i wrote, its a discrimination to my right of free speech, i shall smite a gigantic lighting bolt on you and who ever else believe's that "SkipRat' was right in banning me (which he wasn't).
and personally i think this post should go public, as i believe it is up to the community whether or not i get a type of ban or not. |
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Posted 23rd Nov 2009 11:14pm | |
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Heh, at the end of the day, posting a link to the biggest torrent site of all time is rather stupid, I have said my views on this subject countless times, I am with molodiets too, free speech is all important.
When people abuse the freedom like you did though - its swiftly taken away!
It's not permanent, but at the same time you can't get away with posting links to torrent sites.
I'm perfectly aware of the legality of such websites also so I do not need to be told.
The site is actually illegal under Swedish law, the owners recently were found guilty of copyright infringement. If you follow http://torrentfreak.com/ you can learn more about the issues surrounding torrents.
Even if this were not the case, we are not based in Sweden, Garner and quite a few of the staff (including me) are based in England, where copyright laws stand.
Discussion of them - at least when its down to me closing a thread (something I have only ever done twice, unless by request of the OP) - is allowed, it is kinda bending the rules, but we allow this, being completely stupid and posting a link to the site is stepping over the line.
So don't try and say its breaking your right to free speech... L4Y does not state anywhere that users can say what they want, so yeah you have to abide by the rules.
So yeah if you can prove to me how posting a link to a download site is an opinion? Then I would lift the ban. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2009 12:16am | |
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I'd really rather not get involved with the politics of this website as for the most part, I couldn't care less. However, I'd just like to reply to part of SkipRat's post.
| Quote | | Even if this were not the case, we are not based in Sweden, Garner and quite a few of the staff (including me) are based in England, where copyright laws stand. |
I agree with you, and if he had of linked to any illegal content I would support you... but viewing that website is not illegal in England, nor is linking to it. |
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Posted 24th Nov 2009 12:50am |
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Here's my opinion for what it's worth.
This is Garner's website, he made the rules for a reason. In gratitude for allowing us a nice place to converse, we should abide by those rules. The rules aren't difficult to follow, so why the hubub? Torrents, cracks, hacks, or anything else of this nature is not allowed, whether it be providing information of how to, where to, and what to. I am for free speech, as long as it stays within the guidelines set by Garner.
PEACE!
P.S. The poll is pointless, for the main fact that, of course members don't want to be censored! That's a DUH thing. Who does?! |
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Posted 24th Nov 2009 4:05am |
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| Quoting nay | | Quoting KILLER | I am for free speech, as long as it stays within the guidelines set by Garner.
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Then you're not for free speech at all--you're for censorship. One cannot exist without the complete absence of the other. There is no fence to be sitting on. |
You make a valid point; which would make this thread completely and utterly futile.
"America - Land of the Free...if you abide by the guidelines set by the Government." |
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Posted 24th Nov 2009 4:17am | |
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@ crazyjack1994, this site is hosted in the United States of America, those it needs to follow those set. Besides, read the forum rules. It doesn't matter that "it maybe be allowed" in other countries. It's not allowed in this site. This site has rules. Without rules then what would we need staff members for.
I'm all for censorship, if it breaks forum rules...Well Garner's rule, who owns this site and at any time can just decide to closed it all together.  This site isn't a democracy. He who pays the bills in the end is the one who can set the rules. Let's face it, if you don't like it, you are free to start up your own web site and manage it as "you" see fit.  |
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