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  Posted 25th Nov 2009 5:29am |  |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 |
1. It is bad practice to tell the new member to use to search function on the forum.
2. Even though the game is dead
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1. Totally agree.
2. Totally disagree, It's on life support. The life support is being provided by the game company, players and last but not least....THE SERVERS that continue to put up with us.
| Quoting digital_ruler | | This happens all the time at the official Red Faction forums. New member joins, asks a question, admin locks the topic and says "use the search function". What would actually be helpful is to link to the existing thread, lock the topic, and maybe mention the search.) |
Which is why I never bothered to post anything in "the official" Red Faction forums when they were still open. I was fortunate to find this site. Well I was forced to come to this site, since Garner merged it with redfactionplanet.com. 
| Quoting digital_ruler | | Apparently not, so long as staff members keep making up the rules as they go. |
The rules are set in STONE. Only one person has the chisel to changed them. Not the members, not admins (or Network Admin ). That person is Garner. This constant fighting is only going to cause the closure of this site. 
-->Please remember the golden rule: to treat other forum users the way you would like to be treated.
Please use common courtesy and enjoy using our forums! |
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KILLER  |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 7:16am |
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| Quoting Doc Savage |
those rules say NOTHING about use of names. only staff bashing. and it wasnt staff bashing. |
Yes it was.
| Quoting digitalruler |
Maybe that's why nothing gets done around here. "Oh, I think this is completely wrong and could probably be much better, but I won't mention it or try to improve because my job is to agree with everything." |
Please note that I said I talk to them somewhere else. |
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| Beatonator |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 8:57am |
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| Quoting KILLER | But the only "active" admins are myself, Frank, SkipRat and Assaultman (on rare occasion). I don't really see anyone else online, including Garner himself. So I can't help but feel like we are being attacked.
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Cheers Killer. 
I'm still here, I hide in the shadows and swoop on members that step off the beaten track...
D2K, mate. you just love the controversy don't you!?
I do find it ironic that L4Y has had numerous huuuuuuuge fallings out. I remember one shortly after I became staff. It ended up with several users (staff and members) to be TU'd, leave the site. Garner isn't about as much any more. he pops in occasionally, but he is happy to keep this place going for us (which i'm thankful for)
The problem with Admins as a whole, is that they are regular members with privileges. Most of us come here for the same thing, have the same issues in life. however they can not allow external forces/ideas/events affect this website. I'm sure all staff at one point or another here has been pissed off with a user. I'm not denying it! Or have not agreed with certain events (again, guilty!) However, if there is a dispute in the staff forums it normally comes down to a general agreement over how to deal with it. (Unfortunately not all agreements are transmitted to other members/staff which causes confusion.)
EG:
<USER>had been allowed a second account to upload some files by a staff member, Last I had heard he was under a Permanent ban until further notice. (Second accounts are not allowed unless giving authorisation by Garner last I checked) So, in came the ban hammer.
Next thing I know, his normal account is unbanned. So in comes the ban hammer as once again it was the last thing that had been confirmed by a "higher rank". Afterwards I posted in the staff forum, and we had a discussion over it. Truth came out, and account was unbanned. (Second account should still be banned under forum rules though )
No hard feelings, I hope!
If people have issues with me in particular, I would rather them be voiced at me (via PM preferably, so it can be dealt with) If its really considered that someone thinks im abusing my rank, I would even raise it into the staff forum to discuss.
EDIT: I just believe, that an issue between 2 people does not belong in a forum (unless there is a much larger issue behind it that involves others |
Trying to find old players. Anyone about? Drop me a PM or reply to this thread:
>Link< (or head over to RFrun.net's comment section!) |
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| goober |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 11:26am | |
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| Quoting Beatonator | | If its really considered that someone thinks im abusing my rank, I would even raise it into the staff forum to discuss. |
Why don't we just discuss it in public instead of hiding in private? |
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| Spikey2005 |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 1:43pm | |
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| Quoting noclanfrank |
2. Totally disagree, It's on life support. The life support is being provided by the game company, players and last but not least....THE SERVERS that continue to put up with us. |
The server is on a bypass . All it takes is to pull the plug to stop the blood flow. The heart has already died.
I am actually suprised that I am still currently mapping for this game, but as stated in on of my previous topics, that they are to be my last maps.
I think Red Faction is not fun anymore. The newer games that are coming out are more interesting to me and more fun, and if one of them comes out with a decent level editor, I might pass my great idea's to that game instead .
On another note, I am pleased that everyone has been posting in this topic in a mature mannor. This means that everyone is starting to get the idea now and perhaps it might keep up... But for how long!  |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 3:00pm |
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| Quoting SkipRat | I agree with most of what you said Spikey.
Now you petty little ant, go, go do my bidding! |
because you're a freakin nazi!
End of conversation!
edit: and i agree with spikey
edit: You can delete this post i don't care. |
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| RED-FROG |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 3:54pm | |
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| Quoting Spikey2005 |
I think Red Faction is not fun anymore. The newer games that are coming out are more interesting to me and more fun, and if one of them comes out with a decent level editor, I might pass my great |
what the crap are you talking about?
Of course Red Faction is still fun. Tons.
Decent level editors? Are you saying RED is superior to UnrealEd, Sandbox or Hammer? Those ARE decent and you can build new games with some actually.
And no, there's nothing new for you on the horizon other than Spark for NS2. (alpha is pretty neat, feels like RED but yet needs more features) |
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| hA Warlord |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 4:15pm | |
waR`.se
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Yeah Spark Editor was easy to use i like it a lot. |
| -waR'.se- I don't know who you are, where you are from, or what you want... But if you threaten my freedom... I'll kill you. |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 4:35pm | |
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Back to the topic about admins
I believe that L4Y's administration system is completely disorganized, in my opinion instead of having many administrators that can control every section, they're rights should be limited and only be able to control one section, for example
Red Faction or Unreal Tournament 2004.
I also believe that those who are in control of a section should still be active in that game, and playing it regularly on a weekly basis.
For example i should be right in saying that Skiprat or NoClanFrank do not play Red Faction any more because i haven't seen or even spoken to them in Red Faction, for the last 4 to 5 years.
So why should these admins that don't even play Red Faction anymore have the right to ban or edit a member's post,that were posted in this section.
In conclusion i believe that Garner should reorganize the administration system, so that 'admins' are only in control of one section and none others, and also the admins that are in control of that section should be active on that game as stated above.
P.S:- thanks to Skiprat for taking off 'TU' ban  |
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| Molodiets |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 5:06pm |
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| Quoting crazyjack1994 | Back to the topic about admins
I believe that L4Y's administration system is completely disorganized, in my opinion instead of having administrators that have control over every section, they should be limited to control only one section, for example Red Faction or Unreal Tournament 2004.
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that's just the way it is!
it doesn't matter when talking about abusing of moderator's power thou.
On other forums i see moderators banning people from their section without being able to ban from the whole site. Still they re king in their castle.
I think when a moderator doesn't agree with another he should voice it loud in public. otrherwise simple users don't know if their disagreement has gone unnoticed or if moderators are a brotherhood and always keep silent about inner disagreements to keep an illusion of order among the staff. On most forums, you're really helpless as a simple user when you have a probleme with a moderator and discussing it with that moderator throu pm always get the feud worse.
most of the time it's not a question of respecting the rule or not. Moderators interpret the rules to their liking. De facto they are the rule since there is noone you can go complain to. and to deserve that privilege they did nothing but ask for staffmembership. There is hardly a legitimacy, a reason why simple users would like to abide by their orders if those aren't fair. I agree the webmaster has the last word in anycircumstances but what happens when he's not there or don't care or when you don't even know who is in charge |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 5:21pm | |
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I see what you mean, you have no one to turn to when you have been banned etc etc.
but really ,if you are that desperate to use these or other forums again once you've been banned then perhaps you could ask or research around for an administators email, then be able to send them an email explaining your situation and that you either wish to use the fourms again, or write a formal complaint about a member of staff. |
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| goober |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 6:20pm | |
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| Quoting crazyjack1994 | I believe that L4Y's administration system is completely disorganized, in my opinion instead of having many administrators that can control every section, they're rights should be limited and only be able to control one section, for example
Red Faction or Unreal Tournament 2004. |
You don't need to be playing a game to recognize trolling or spam. There's no reason to ever delete any other sort of posts. |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 6:37pm | |
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| Quoting goober | | You don't need to be playing a game to recognize trolling or spam. There's no reason to ever delete any other sort of posts. |
yes you are right, but however i would rather have an admin that still currently plays Red Faction, rather than one that may just comment on a contributed forum to the game. |
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| goober |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 7:50pm | |
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I don't care if they play the game - so long as they're not corrupt and can make informed decisions about site matters. |
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| crazyjack1994 |
Posted 25th Nov 2009 8:11pm | |
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| Quoting goober | | I don't care if they play the game - so long as they're not corrupt and can make informed decisions about site matters. |
Who isn't corrupt to be honest..... |
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