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Sephiroth_RIC   Posted 20th Mar 2011 6:45pm
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I'm just having a few problems and thought there maybe somebody still around with good knowledge of this... Where to begin..

Ok so here is my first problem. The fence draws lines at the end of the texture when you are far away from it. when your close to it, its fine. its on a face brush but it will also do it on a square brush. The Texture is 256x256, 24 colordepth and uncompressed TGA. The alpha channel is fine, its not that. Apparently Descent Manager says its supported, there is no error.
[Look at the wooden fence in the distance.]


After that I changed the Colordepth to 16 and it fixed the lines until I moved further back and well.. the problem in the picture below appeard. Descent Manager now says error unsupported.
[Now Fades to invisible at distance.]


I'm using paint-shop pro 7. Really appreciate any help with this.



Edit: OK so I made the fence 512x512 and 32 colordepth uncompressed and that seemed to fix it. descent manager says it supports it as-well. But some people say that 512 doesn't display correctly in RF.. it seems fine for me. Anybody have any possible idea how I can still fix this problem and use textures below 512x512 resolution?
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Spikey2005   Posted 20th Mar 2011 7:18pm
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I would love to help, but the quality of your screenshots distracted me and made my eyes light up!

But I have no idea whats wrong though. Have you tried deleting the Alpha channel from the texture?
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Sephiroth_RIC   Posted 20th Mar 2011 7:22pm
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tried deleting the alpha channel and redone it but that didn't help.
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goober   Posted 21st Mar 2011 1:39am
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This is an issue to do with the mipmapping the game automatically does on the textures (which is a VERY good thing let me tell you), the reason it looks fine with 512 textures is because the game always shows the top mip level for textures with either dimension above 256 pixels (this is a very BAD thing) - that is why if you use say 512x512 textures for a wall or floor, it appears to "vibrate" or "flicker" if you look at it from a far distance, which is quite ugly. Was working with TrotSkie at one point to fix the mipmapping to effect all textures (I was working on a HD texture pack at some point, I remade about half of the game's textures in double or quadruple the original resolution but we never got mipmapping working so I gave up. The textures are nice though and I've used them in other places.)

What I'd recommend is adding a bit of blank space at the top of your texture and making it transparent - that way you can UVW unwrap down far enough so you can't see it.
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Sephiroth_RIC   Posted 21st Mar 2011 12:02pm
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thanks for the reply Goober Do you mean extend the image size at the top?

To bad you didnt get better mip-map effect.. a real shame
We would have been able to make are maps stunningly high quality.

Also any idea if it was 512x512 single-frame .vbm would that make a difference?
I'm sure there's some red-faction ones that do that, could be wrong.
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goober   Posted 21st Mar 2011 10:18pm
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None of the original textures are above 256 (aside from menu elements and fullscreen images IE. bomb defuse).

Yea, that's what I meant

And I'm not sure about making it a vbm - if you did you'd have to manually put in mip maps though, vbms don't autogenerate them.
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Sephiroth_RIC   Posted 21st Mar 2011 10:22pm
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thank-you Goober i'll see what i can do.
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goober   Posted 21st Mar 2011 10:24pm
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No problem man.

Also, you seem to post here a lot... with L4Y shutting down might I invite you to sign up at FactionFiles for future questions and such? And/or add me on MSN
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Sephiroth_RIC   Posted 22nd Mar 2011 11:30am
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Ok i'll try faction files it's good to see a friendly face still around lol
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